Welcome to the Shape Debate!

No religions | No beliefs | No biases | No assumptions.

No religions. No beliefs.

No biases. No assumptions.

If it can't be questioned, it's not science.

Flat earthers are making some crazy claims.

As Purdue engineering graduates, we decided to actually put them to the test.

Our book is almost complete.

As Purdue engineering graduates, we decided to actually put them to the test.

Can science prove heliocentrism and the infinite void of space?

Levi

Demonstrable Realist

& Debate Optimizer

We were randomly selected to be roommates freshmen year. Best friends ever since.

Alex

Vacuum Chamber

Propulsion Tester

New to helio-skepticism?

Here is a brief introduction.

Geocentric Flat-Earth Claim #1

Objects can completely disappear across a flat surface even when there is no obstruction in between. Visual limitations with a long-distance surface have not been properly studied. Common mistake to avoid: not using a long enough surface (500+ feet minimum).

Geocentric Flat-Earth Claim #2

Mainstream physics is completely wrong in applying Newton’s third law to a pressurized gas release in a vacuum environment. Thrust must have something to push off, and an infinite vacuum does not provide that. If verified, this implies the law was abused to sell humanity on the idea of space travel. Common mistake to avoid: the vacuum chamber is too small; make it longer or use less gas to prevent the loss of a vacuum environment.

Geocentric Flat-Earth Claim #3

There are too many red flags in celestial observations. The five hardest to ignore are the uniform light distribution of a full moon, moon-tilt illusion, selenelion eclipse, Jupiter’s moon shadows that fail to align heliocentrically, and the failed trajectory alignment during a solar eclipse. Together, they make a strong case that the Moon is self-luminous. If the Antarctica Final Experiment is confirmed faked by independent research, the game will be over.

The last decade of the shape debate

has been pathetic on both sides.

On one side, we have people questioning heliocentrism (often labeled as flat earthers) who always preach that Antarctica has not been fully explored and that the existence of a physical barrier is responsible for Earth's air pressure, without sufficient evidence. Many of them are motivated by religious texts. They claim that relative density and buoyancy fully replace gravity; this is clearly not the case! On the other side, we have astrophysicists claiming that all the long-distance observations that have changed the minds of millions are simply a misunderstanding of refraction. They claim to have observations to demonstrate curvature, but how is refraction or atmospheric lensing being accounted for? They also say spacetime curvature is exclusive to a globe. Can this claim be proven? Or were the definitions of gravity constructed with heliocentric assumptions that were not allowed to be questioned?

Ultimately, our best heliocentric evidence relies heavily on space agencies. Are flat earthers justified in their skepticism of NASA? As graduates who walked past Neil Armstrong's statue every day on their way to engineering classes, Levi and Alex became obsessed with the shape debate. Can science undeniably prove that the Earth is moving and not the Sun? Or did humanity lose a century of intellectual progress to a fake $3 trillion industry? Let's set aside our emotions and examine the raw evidence.

Have you done research on long-distance observations? If not, this will surprise you.

Claim #1

Can objects completely disappear on a flat surface?

Over a distance of just 540 feet, atmospheric refraction is far too weak to have any noticeable visual effect, leaving the object at its true physical height to the human eye. However, if forced to measure a microscopic shift, it would typically push the object upward. Because summer lake water is usually cooler than the warm air above it, a thin layer of dense air forms near the surface, bending light downward and slightly elevating the object's apparent position to your eye. The image would only shift downward in the rare instance where the water surface or shoreline sand is significantly hotter than the surrounding air.

Claim #2

Do gas-propelled vehicles use surrounding gases for thrust?

2026 - Experiment by Alex Kampf - waiting for upload

* First person ever to properly demonstrate this on YouTube??? *

Claim #3

Do all celestial observations match heliocentrism?

Please read the luminary chapter for the full analysis.

Or if you are brand new to the topic, start here.

These three claims and the resulting research are what inspired our book.

Globe Deconstruction?

“The system wants you to be normal. To be reasonable. Don’t ask the forbidden questions. It tells you those questions are a waste of time. Instead, it wants to categorize you into specific parameters. Test scores, memorization, forced curriculum topics, fixed schedules. Are all these “standards” for our benefit or for someone else?

What if we start being the opposite of standard? What if we became unreasonable in the amount of evidence required to consider a model as true or false before memorization. What if we were encouraged to debate the big questions. Only after the hard questions have our full attention, can humanity rebuild itself to avoid division and reach its’ maximum potential.”

Evaluate Your

Cognitive Closure Bias

Shape Debate Preparation

Show Me Proof of Flat Earth

The Mountain Crumbles

12 Science Questions

Space Travel Requires Faith

Hydrostatics & Optics

Evaluate Your

Cognitive Closure Bias

Shape Debate Preparation

Positive Claims & Falsification

The Mountain Crumbles

12 Science Questions

Space Travel Requires Faith

Hydrostatics & Optics

The Equator Flight

Data Challenge

Celestial Globes Exposed

Unknown Luminaries

Perfectly Synchronized

Gas Rotating with Earth?

Extraordinary Evidence

or Fallacy?

All Construction

Records Missing?

Antarctica’s

Magnetic North

The Equator Flight Data Challenge

Celestial Globes Exposed

Unknown Luminaries

Perfectly Synchronized

Gas Rotating with Earth?

Extraordinary Evidence or Fallacy

All Construction Records Missing?

Antarctica’s Magnetic North

Do we find external evidence to support the conclusions from Alex Kampf's experiment?

If the scientific method concludes vacuum chamber propulsion uses surrounding gases, then logically, we should see some evidence of fakery from space agencies.

What do we observe?